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		<title>by: christopherwhite.info &#187; Falling off the edge</title>
		<link>http://christopherwhite.info/blog/2006/08/05/a-sensible-opinion/#comment-546</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Despite my previous comments, by which I still stand, perhaps it&amp;#8217;s small wonder that Muslims felt/feel victimised by cartoons of Mohammed, the veil debate and the Pope&amp;#8217;s remarks when we live in world so shy of not only causing offence but also simple debate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Despite my previous comments, by which I still stand, perhaps it&#8217;s small wonder that Muslims felt/feel victimised by cartoons of Mohammed, the veil debate and the Pope&#8217;s remarks when we live in world so shy of not only causing offence but also simple debate. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Christopher White</title>
		<link>http://christopherwhite.info/blog/2006/08/05/a-sensible-opinion/#comment-266</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No, other than the hardcore Islamic Society lot, a lot of Muslim students weren't that bothered. The loudest voices of protest were the so-called 'liberals'.

We [you(s) - I'd 'quit' by then] may have been 'high fived' by people who thought it was a pro-free speech statement but we were equally castigated for the same - the editorial in the Oxford Student, for example.


As for the experience of issues affecting diverse communities... well it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; astonishing that people would get so upset over a cartoon; you were trying to show it in the context of a news story, as useful information; and there hadn't been any protests in the UK by &lt;em&gt;gair rhydd&lt;/em&gt;'s deadline night. 

Of course, we &lt;em&gt;were&lt;/em&gt; ignorant of other people, but so is everyone at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, other than the hardcore Islamic Society lot, a lot of Muslim students weren&#8217;t that bothered. The loudest voices of protest were the so-called &#8216;liberals&#8217;.</p>
<p>We [you(s) - I&#8217;d &#8216;quit&#8217; by then] may have been &#8216;high fived&#8217; by people who thought it was a pro-free speech statement but we were equally castigated for the same - the editorial in the Oxford Student, for example.</p>
<p>As for the experience of issues affecting diverse communities&#8230; well it <em>is</em> astonishing that people would get so upset over a cartoon; you were trying to show it in the context of a news story, as useful information; and there hadn&#8217;t been any protests in the UK by <em>gair rhydd</em>&#8217;s deadline night. </p>
<p>Of course, we <em>were</em> ignorant of other people, but so is everyone at some point.
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		<title>by: charissa</title>
		<link>http://christopherwhite.info/blog/2006/08/05/a-sensible-opinion/#comment-265</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I did wonder the same thing when I first read it. I definitely think converts would be more likey to disagree than those who have grown up with Islam, but the poll is interesting. Then again, I remember half the Muslims 'interviewed' by the Western Mail outside the SU didn't really seem to care that much. 

I think people often interpret the purpose of freedom of speech as an opportunity to intentionally get offensive, which may be why they put that... nevertheless, I think we all got high fived way too much for what looked like 'making a statement,' when really it was my bad for just not reading the newspaper.

I'm in the middle of a lengthy application for a BBC trainee thingy, and one of the questions asks me to outline a time when I've had 'direct experience of issues affecting diverse communities.' I think the time has come to bring up gair rhydd, but I'm finding it terribly hard to describe it as a 'learning curve' without making it look like we were ignorant towards other people. Tricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did wonder the same thing when I first read it. I definitely think converts would be more likey to disagree than those who have grown up with Islam, but the poll is interesting. Then again, I remember half the Muslims &#8216;interviewed&#8217; by the Western Mail outside the SU didn&#8217;t really seem to care that much. </p>
<p>I think people often interpret the purpose of freedom of speech as an opportunity to intentionally get offensive, which may be why they put that&#8230; nevertheless, I think we all got high fived way too much for what looked like &#8216;making a statement,&#8217; when really it was my bad for just not reading the newspaper.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the middle of a lengthy application for a BBC trainee thingy, and one of the questions asks me to outline a time when I&#8217;ve had &#8216;direct experience of issues affecting diverse communities.&#8217; I think the time has come to bring up gair rhydd, but I&#8217;m finding it terribly hard to describe it as a &#8216;learning curve&#8217; without making it look like we were ignorant towards other people. Tricky.
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		<title>by: Christopher White</title>
		<link>http://christopherwhite.info/blog/2006/08/05/a-sensible-opinion/#comment-264</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I did the same at the 'nothing short of anger' part initially.

I wondered at first whether he was so (relatively) unoffended by the cartoons because he's a convert and hasn'r grown up with Islam; he's American, and the have more generally liberal attitudes to free speech anyway (except re: the Flag); and Muslims aren't really marginalised in the US as they're perceived to be in the UK because of America's long tradition of racial and religious pluralism.

But I was having a look around the internet, and a poll at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.islamonline.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IslamOnline.net&lt;/a&gt; had 57% of 70,000 respondents disagreeing that there should be limits on free speech when it comes to the 'sacred' (nearly wrote 'scared'...) in religion.



I'd pitched the piece that I was researching to &lt;em&gt;Index on Censorship&lt;/em&gt; - got a rejection letter last night. (They're covering a similar topic with one of their staff.)

In it they mentioned about the &quot;right to offend&quot;. &lt;em&gt;Index&lt;/em&gt; seem to have missed the point just as virtually everyone else did: it's not about having the right to offend; it's about &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; having the right to censor just because something is &quot;offensive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the same at the &#8216;nothing short of anger&#8217; part initially.</p>
<p>I wondered at first whether he was so (relatively) unoffended by the cartoons because he&#8217;s a convert and hasn&#8217;r grown up with Islam; he&#8217;s American, and the have more generally liberal attitudes to free speech anyway (except re: the Flag); and Muslims aren&#8217;t really marginalised in the US as they&#8217;re perceived to be in the UK because of America&#8217;s long tradition of racial and religious pluralism.</p>
<p>But I was having a look around the internet, and a poll at <a href="http://www.islamonline.net" rel="nofollow">IslamOnline.net</a> had 57% of 70,000 respondents disagreeing that there should be limits on free speech when it comes to the &#8217;sacred&#8217; (nearly wrote &#8217;scared&#8217;&#8230;) in religion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d pitched the piece that I was researching to <em>Index on Censorship</em> - got a rejection letter last night. (They&#8217;re covering a similar topic with one of their staff.)</p>
<p>In it they mentioned about the &#8220;right to offend&#8221;. <em>Index</em> seem to have missed the point just as virtually everyone else did: it&#8217;s not about having the right to offend; it&#8217;s about <em>not</em> having the right to censor just because something is &#8220;offensive&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Charissa</title>
		<link>http://christopherwhite.info/blog/2006/08/05/a-sensible-opinion/#comment-256</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to clarify, I was applauding the opinion piece and not the fact that the UK is murky purple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I was applauding the opinion piece and not the fact that the UK is murky purple.
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